JAY-Z VS NAS

[1Thawt]

I was worried about my man Nas and thawt he had fell off but he gave Jay Z a lyrical slap to both sides of the jaw that probably still has his lips wobblin with 'Ether'. So Nas is holdin it down right now. I say keep the battle goin as long as it stays in tha studio and out tha streets !

[jimmyshoe]

Nas did whup his ass with Ether, but the Blueprint is an overall better CD track 4 track. But this is the hardest Nas has come in a while. I got it playing in high rotation now.

I never understood the source of their beef, but you know dumb niggaz take s--t like this and kill over it. I'm not feelin' any rapper beefin' at all. Look at Biggie and Pac and that should be lesson enough for these fools. Hell, both Hov and Nas is on point... why don't they just make the money and work that shit out behind closed doors like men. That's just my thought.

[Freakinthemic]

both emcees is grabage nahimean, they both can't flow, keep it real that nigga Jay Z got Nas overall, Nas just went grabage he ain't coming out the hole, son madd wac yo, and Jay-z raps about the same grabage money hoes and cris, man that's fake hip hop son, keep it real underground, one

[Marcus]

As much as I got love for Jay, I must admit that Nas ate him on Ether. People keep saying "havent they learned form pac and big" when we all know a certain person is personsable for both of their death's, it wasnt some crazed fan, or any crew member. Anyway, as long as both men keep it on wax everything should be cool you never know, bothe men might talk it out and we could see them on the same track together again (there is a song out that they were on together)

Real quick, I read that Fat Joe said he would love for Jay to come at him lyrically so he could reply and then take it to the streets........remember this line Joe "and all you other cats takin shots at jigga, you only get half a bar"....you know the rest.

Do some of listen to music or do you just skim through it? hmmmmmm.

[Freakinthemic]

I dont' care if they kill one another they both butt!!! stale ass emcees, get hip to mos def talib kweli Dead prez common the roots yo keep it underground fuck this fake ass commerical beef it aint' real it's just for money, now the real beef is mobb deep and Jay now that's realness kids

[DoGMaT]

Nas is tight and Hes one of da real but Jayz isnt bed neighter so i duno why these niggas have probs with each other so anyway i hope they both wont kill each other.
Nota and pac ? the same shit
now RIp to both.

kinda funny i guess .

[jimmyshoe]

hey, I feel ya'll on the Roots and Common, but this is life yo. nigga's gotta eat. Mos Def and Common are cold, but if they couldn't get heads to cop thier records, you'd never hear from them again. It's all about making money and getting your name known past the niggas on your block, who'd rather bootleg your shit than buy it anyway. Yeah, Hova is commercial, but it's still Hip Hop. And I bet any unknown underground rapper would trade places with the man in a minute.

As much as Hip Hop is an art form, it's a business. And you either treat it like a business and get paid, or you stick to rhymin' at the local juke joint and make time for the interview on the Behind the Music episode of "Great Broke Ass Rappers We Never Knew"

[Freakinthemic]

well son, you think that way then you all bout money fame and commerical shiet, nahimean mos and talib tryna kick knowledge kid if you ain't undastanding that then you lost, I dont' think they would trade places with Jay niggas is doing it for the love of hip hop the original form not no fake ass record company telling them to do some club bangers man fuck that I aint' down with that, why you think rawkus is what it is? it's for underground cats that do what they feel, dig that kid, understand before you defend bullshiet! stay up one

[jimmyshoe]

i respect your point of view... I'm into spoken word myself... ain't no money in that... just the art. but the truth is, if it wasn't for the commercial shit, you wouldn't hear of the underground kats outside your hood because there would be no distribution on hip hop at all.

The katz that have record deals do what they do, but if brotha's had distribution rights of the music, a lot more underground joints would get more pub. So, the problem is not the artist, but the industry and the way it's set up.

i would bet that if some of your underground katz could put out on the large scale the shit they do... unadulterated by the industry, they would... and they'd get paid!!!

Again, my thing is fight the industry so katz can move the shit they love. Wu started something, but others need to pick up that baton and run with it. I'm not lost kid, just looking at it from a different perspective. ONE

[Marcus]

I feel you Jimmy.

I got mad love for Jay, Nas, DMX, and even Cash Money, but I also like Talib, Mos, The Roots, Freddie Foxxx, and Hi-Tek (whose album was one of the hottest of 2000 but was slept on heavily).

I see it like this, you can be underground and still get paid, I know music isnt about money (when you do it for the love) but everyone has to eat. If the Roots were on TRL, but kept the same style would fans turn their backs on them and say "these cat's turned commercial"?

[1Thawt]

I feel all u brothas on your points. The thing to keep in mind is you gotta compare apples to apple and oranges to oranges, nahImean. There's no doubt that the Roots, Common, Mos Def kick knowledge and skill with how they get down so it's not the same catagory that Nas and Hov operate in. You can tell anyones motivation for doin what they do by how they do it. With that said, there's room for it all as long as you know what u feastin on with u sit at the table. I was comparing blow for blow and thawt Nas dealt the most lethal, for now.

[DoGMaT]

I feel all of ya but like jimmy sad its all abouzt money. heee ok if it is then i bit my girl mhh maybe i get some money from her dad ? =) nah its money sure TV n all dat but i tink dey also make it cuz they dont like each other i know nigga got to eat Everybody got to eat !

but do ya really tink they smoked some and sad Yo Nas - whadup Jay ?
lets dizz some i call u motherfu*ker yu call me bi*ch ass and then we get money nahhh aint that nah nah =9
ok pace dawgs

[jimmyshoe]

dog:

I think some of that is happening. I still can't understand the source of the beef between Nas and J, but I'm sure they know that it will breed interest and CD sales. We'll see if someone gets killed over this or will it die on its own.

[Freakinthemic]

No doubt JShoe, feeling you on the post up there, that's real, sonz gotta eat i understand that it's all love, but you know I still be expecting that underground shiet all the time I ain't turning commerical even tho nigga's is slackin on underground albums, you right it be taking a minute for someone in the under to come out with a album...but nah underground always gonna be serving em nahImean....ion't know I really dont' care about that source beef with J and Nas it's all BS to me...they just need to make music and do what they do best, tryna hype up fans and other shiet be pumping it up too when it's not really nothing.....but forgetaboutit cuz it's trash that's my words ONE

[ISOFLY]

I'm gonna tell it like it is... Either you like gansta rap or real hip hop. Nas is real Hip - Hop. Bottom Line!!! In the beginning... Hip - Hop was party , braging about your skills and who was the wittyiest. It all depends what style you like . If you want to hear about MONEY , CASH , CARS, HOES, AND MAKING MONEY IN THE DRUG GAME, You propably think Jigga is better than NAS. However, if you wan't to hear something positive , educational and real as in (realistic)then NAS is your man. I phucks with them both. NAS put things in perspective " Ain't no best ...." Jigga said he is best but come on.. Is he better than, RAKIM, MOS DEF, SLICK RICK, TUPAC, hell He's not better than EMINEM. Jigga is cool . He sells records. So did RUNDMC, HAMMER, I can go on ... Record sales don't make you a great MC. Everyone talks about "The Take Over" and " Either". But Rewind, on NAS CD, is the hottest I've heard in a while. Don't sleep on my favorite MC GRAND PUBA.

[J]

Personally, I like and listen to all of the MC'c/Groups mentioned above. You really can't compare many of them because all contribute something different and great to the rap game!! They all make it what it is today.

I will say this...Nas still hasn't made a classic like 'Illmatic', but like he says on 'Stillmatic (The Intro)' the first single on his new LP...he's moved on to create new things. You can't live in the past. So, when it comes to Jigga and Nas..I look at overall product. Jigga wins hands down on this front. He's on a helluva run and still to this day continues to provide you with lyrics you've never heard before. Always saying some new ish! Nas has had his tracks since Illmatic, but the consistency has just been lacking. It's Jigga's time now is the bottom line. You can't hate on that. Everyone has their 15 minutes. I do commend Nas for being a continuos force though. Bruh can still flow with the best of them. Look at him as Jordan while in retirement. He'll be back! One.

[DoGMaT]

I fell Ya J my Dog ! =)

[BigNikka]

I feel that Jay and Nas are both great artist. I'm feelin Nas more because he doesn't sell out as much as Jay. Jay-Z want to put shit out thats going to get peoples attention, that's why he gets all kinds of big name producers like The Neptunes, who I think make some of the wackest bullshit I ever heard. But they make good music for the clubs and shit which is a good market. That why Jay-Z sells a whole lot more. Now producers like Hi-Tek and Alchemist, they makin the hottest beats right now. Nas comes with more of a street level of real hip-hop and he doesn't feed into that commercial bullshit. Don't get me wrong Jay-Z definatley comes with the hot shit. His flow on "All I Need" and "Renegade is some of the best shit I heard from Jay in a hot second. After I heard "Takeover" and Cormega's album for all those true Hip-Hop heads out there will know what I'm talkin about, I started thinking Nas had fell off. Especially after Nastradamus. But then StillMatic came out, an album I truly feel he put his seart into then automatically he's on top again and I'm kicking myself for ever thinking different. As far as the beef goes I think Jay-Z Killed Nas based on that everything they say is factual. But sometimes it's not about who's the best trash talkerbut who's got the better game, and in my opinion Nas is the better artist, just listen to Rewind, One Mic or What goes Around of Stillmatic is you don't think so.

[jimmyshoe]

I definitely believe that Nas is a better lyricist than Jay-Z. Even though Nas’ CD’s haven’t been the greatest, I never doubted his skills. So, for the Hip Hop purist, I understand why they go with Nas. But when it comes to playing the game, I think Jay-Z got most rappers faded. People respect Master P and P Diddy’s business sense, but they’ll never get love for their rap skills. However, Jay –Z gets props for his skills and no one can deny that he is a master at the game. I’m not talking about the back street, rhyming on the corner side of Hip Hop, but the marketing and money side.

I think Hova went at it the same way I would’ve (if I had some rap skills.) But to each his own. I respect underground ballers that do it for the love, but I respect those that want to make a living off their talent.

[ISOFLY]

Big Nukka is on point!!! Hip-Hop is an art. Art is priceless. I'm an oldskool brotha fo real. Born and raised in the Bronx and lived in Queens NY. I even did the rap thing for a while. So I can appreciate those who put their heart into it. Nas is my man. Jigga has the commercial package. He's also a good rap artist. He's not the best by a long shot. I give him much props for the business approach. For some I guess the bottom line is how much money you make at the end of the day. I am not part of that some. When I was doing my thing it felt good to walk through a hood hearing your own joints bumpin in someone's car. Priceless...

[Tony Soprano]

i haaaaaaaaaad to get in this one. i dont see how i missed it... first off i rap...so i take the rap point of view so now with that said... RAP IS ENTERTAINMENT. its on black ENTERTAINMENT television and all ENTERTAINMENT programs. and its pretty damn ENTERTAINING. if you want knowledge grab a book or make your knowledgable rap ENTERTAINING. thats where most of your knowledgable rappers fall off. they get on hit that makes spins (bigger than hip hop... the light...etc) but it lacks character.

jigga and nas make up in character where everyone else lacks. jigga just got more character than nas. dont get me wrong but nas just doesnt influence the south much at all. most folks down here didnt know nas til belly or the beef. everyone knows jigga. jigga makes himself profitable on every side.

now for rap... the h to the homo sh*t sucked like a vaccum in a porno. advantage JAY-Z
the takeover... let him know off top only took one verse. advantage JAY-Z
ether... beat around the bush at times but definately ate jiggas ass. advantage NAS

i got jigga 2 to 1 i havent heard the jay-z freestyle so i dont have and accurate count.

FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLYENTERTAINMENT

[KillerKroove]

Nas is killin Jay. And Jay wouldn't dare to step to Fat Joe, Joe already ran in Roc-A-Fella and smacked them niggas up once.

Joe keeps shooting at Jigga but bitch ass Jigga ain't doing shit, he ain't stupid. Cause Joe will hurt Jigga and the rest of the roc. And that is real!!!!!

[CAMJAM 2000]

MOST OF YOU ONE SIDED LAMES MUST BE FROM QUEENS, OR MAYBE YOU ARE ONE. YEAH NAS GOT MAD FLOW BUT IF HE WASN'T DISSEN JIGGA, HE WOULD BE A SOMEWHAT FORGOTTEN NIGG.... YA DIG. YOU NEED TO KEEP IT REAL WITH YOURSELF. WHEN YOU GO TO THE CLUBS, YOU DON'T HEAR SHI.. WITH NAS ON IT, UNLESS YOU PLAY THAT GAY ASS OOCHIE WALLY CRAP. AND THATS BEING PLAYED AS PEOPLE LEAVE IF IT WAS PLAYED AT ALL. JAY BEEN HOLDEN IT DOWN ESPECIALLY ON THE RADIO AND IN THE CLUBS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT JAY IS AL THAT, BUT HE IS PUMPIN OUT MORE HITS THAN NAS, OR JOEY WACK WILL EVER MAKE. DON'T GET IT TWISTED FAT JOE IS NO BIG PUN. SO YOU CAN HATE ON THIS, IF THATS WHAT YOU FEEL, YOU CAN HATE ON THIS , CAUSE T'M KEEPIN IT REAL. PEACE LAMES

[CAMJAM 2000]

Originally posted by KillerKroove:
Nas is killin Jay. And Jay wouldn't dare to step to Fat Joe, Joe already ran in Roc-A-Fella and smacked them niggas up once.

Joe keeps shooting at Jigga but bitch ass Jigga ain't doing shit, he ain't stupid. Cause Joe will hurt Jigga and the rest of the roc. And that is real!!!!!

KK YOU MUST BEING PAID TO WRITE THIS. LIKE I SAID JOEY WACK AINT NO BIG PUN, PERIOD POINT BLANK .COM FAT JOE HAS 2 HITS ONE WAS WITH BIG PUN THE OTHER WITH R.KELLY SO YOU NEED TO NOT WRITE IN IF YOU DON'T KNOW, NOW YOU KNOW. LAME

[CAMJAM 2000]

Originally posted by Tony Soprano:
i haaaaaaaaaad to get in this one. i dont see how i missed it... first off i rap...so i take the rap point of view so now with that said... RAP IS ENTERTAINMENT. its on black ENTERTAINMENT television and all ENTERTAINMENT programs. and its pretty damn ENTERTAINING. if you want knowledge grab a book or make your knowledgable rap ENTERTAINING. thats where most of your knowledgable rappers fall off. they get on hit that makes spins (bigger than hip hop... the light...etc) but it lacks character.

jigga and nas make up in character where everyone else lacks. jigga just got more character than nas. dont get me wrong but nas just doesnt influence the south much at all. most folks down here didnt know nas til belly or the beef. everyone knows jigga. jigga makes himself profitable on every side.

now for rap... the h to the homo sh*t sucked like a vaccum in a porno. advantage JAY-Z
the takeover... let him know off top only took one verse. advantage JAY-Z
ether... beat around the bush at times but definately ate jiggas ass. advantage NAS

i got jigga 2 to 1 i havent heard the jay-z freestyle so i dont have and accurate count.

FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLYENTERTAINMENT

TS TOUR ABOUT THE ON PERSON ON THIS CHAT LINE THAT DOEN'T HAVE AN UNBIASSED OPPINION. THESE OTHER LAMES DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT NAS IS NOT OUT THERE LIKE THOSE QUEEN BRIDGERS THINK. HE HAD THAT ONE COMMERCIAL CUT-OOCHIE WALLY CRAP ON THEY THINK THAT WAS THE SHIT... DJ'S IN CLEVELAND WOULD GET BEAT UP PLAYIN THAT GAY SHIT YA DIG. SPEAKIN OF GAY, IS NAS COMING OUT THE CLOSET? I CAN'T TELL

[KillerKroove]

First off CamJam you are a cock sucker. You reppin Cleveland like yall so gangsta. please, you are a wanna be just like the rest of your bitch made clevelanders.

For Joey Crack, You don't know shit, because you can't cause you live in Cleveland. Joe been puttin it down for mad years even when hip hop started. All niggas in NY respect Joe for his shit. This how much you know, 2 hits?? For who? radio?? Dumbass, there is not one rapper that does not respect Joe. So you need to not speak gay ass siskel & ebert wanna be rap critic, Cleveland gettin shot. Take that shit and shove it up your ass.

Matter fact don't even respond because you need to come out the closet I Don't communicate with FAGGOTs. And you are one!!!!

Watch everybody he gonna respond with some shit that his crew is the hardest and come see and he will shoot me, or touch me, blah blah.

[mrsminnie2001]

this issue is very funny to me, in some situations such as Beanie and Jadakiss i do believe that it is just entertainment, but in jay-z and nas's case i honestly believe it's personal. Just look at how long it's been going on, on the sneak tip. Listen to Jay-Z's vol.2 and so on , look at how it started. If any of you would really keep it real than yall'd understand that they both are human and shit that they say and do get to each other, on some real shit, Jay -Z felt some type when he first came out gave nas his props and nas just straight up dissed him, shit i'd feel some type too. It's all about respect, look how jay-z just killed nas's baby mom you think that thats just entertainment? HELL NO.Even though i think Jay took it to far, he is still one step ahead of nas. Just compare their albums, their squads , and last but not least their CLOTHING LINE!!!!! ESCO/ROC-A-WEAR! JAY is the illest nigga doing it until ya'll prove him wrong!!! :D

[ 01-20-2002: Message edited by: mrsminnie2001 ]

[BigNikka]

I agree with KillerKroove CamJam from Cleveland doesn't know shit about rap because nobody out of Cleveland is making any real noise like that. Tony Soprano either because you comin out of Texas. The south might only have a handful of good lyricist. Nas is a lyricist, one of the best lyricist ever, and being that yall never heard of Nas until Belly or the Beef you really can't say shit on who's the best in hip-hop.

For that other person who said Jigga is the hottest because of their albums, clothing line, and squads. First of all Nas comes off way better than Jay. Secondly their squads and clothing line have nothing to do with who's the better artist. The only reason Roc-A-Wear is doing better than Esco because all the shit Esco comes out with is ugly as shit and Roc-A-Wear is not.

[CAMJAM 2000]

Originally posted by KillerKroove:
First off CamJam you are a cock sucker. You reppin Cleveland like yall so gangsta. please, you are a wanna be just like the rest of your bitch made clevelanders.

For Joey Crack, You don't know shit, because you can't cause you live in Cleveland. Joe been puttin it down for mad years even when hip hop started. All niggas in NY respect Joe for his shit. This how much you know, 2 hits?? For who? radio?? Dumbass, there is not one rapper that does not respect Joe. So you need to not speak gay ass siskel & ebert wanna be rap critic, Cleveland gettin shot. Take that shit and shove it up your ass.

Matter fact don't even respond because you need to come out the closet I Don't communicate with FAGGOTs. And you are one!!!!

Watch everybody he gonna respond with some shit that his crew is the hardest and come see and he will shoot me, or touch me, blah blah.

THERE YOU GO WITH THAT GAY SHIT LAME. YOU THE ONE WITH A FAT ONE IN YOUR MOUTH. YOU PROBABLY NAMED HIM FAT JOE, CAUSE THE WAY YOU RIDIN, ONLY YOU WOULD KNOW. I REMEMBER FAT CRACK FROM WAY BACK AND HE WAS NOT ON MY TOP 50 LIST BACK WHEN. HEY, IAINT MADD IF YOU LIKE THAT NIGGA, BUT YOU KEEP THAT TUFF TALK TO YOURSELF. IT AINT EVEN THAT SERIOUS, LAME. OH I FORGOT, YOU NAMED HIM FAT JOE.

[jimmyshoe]

Yo fellaz, I know brother hype about their music, but it's only music still. Anyway, I think all of this is too silly because it should be about what you want to put out. If a nigga want to step out like Hammer did, so be it. If it don't sell (and it wouldn't) then so what. As far as this south, east, midwest and west coast thing... that bullshit too. Every side has their rollers and duds. It's juat that the east has the market, the history and most importantly, the infrastructure to put heads on the map. And at the end of the day... aint' none of these nigga payin' any of us shit. So love what you love... it won't mean shit to me.

[1SICKLEX]

Hey, let us not forget, Jigga has been holding it down for 6 SUMMERS, wheres the love? :confused:

Nas is good, but Jay is GREAT :cool:

[HOLLYWOOD]

CHECK THIS OUT THE FIRST FREESTYLE IS NOT AIMED AT NAS IT IS AIMED AT MENO FROM VACANT LOT REMEMBER THE VIDEO WITH MASE WHEN THE FAT KID WAS SHOT OUT OF THE CANNON . JUST A NOTE FROM HARLEM IM HERE FOR U GUYS KGB ENT/REC'S FA LIFE HOLLA AT THE KID I NEED SOME SHOWS FOR MY ARTIST DANCERS AND SINGERS

[Tony Soprano]

Originally posted by BigNukka:
I agree with KillerKroove CamJam from Cleveland doesn't know shit about rap because nobody out of Cleveland is making any real noise like that. Tony Soprano either because you comin out of Texas. The south might only have a handful of good lyricist. Nas is a lyricist, one of the best lyricist ever, and being that yall never heard of Nas until Belly or the Beef you really can't say shit on who's the best in hip-hop.

For that other person who said Jigga is the hottest because of their albums, clothing line, and squads. First of all Nas comes off way better than Jay. Secondly their squads and clothing line have nothing to do with who's the better artist. The only reason Roc-A-Wear is doing better than Esco because all the shit Esco comes out with is ugly as shit and Roc-A-Wear is not.

like i said i represent the rap of texas... dont think that new york is the only niggas holdin down rap cause thats blowed... every one of yall niggas gave praise to shyne when he used DOC's beat and DOC is from my hood not cali... dallas and if it wasnt for beans philly would be done like a old guy with no viagra. eve sux. phillys most aint bad... who else will smith...PLEASE. IS THAT REAL HIP HOP? :(

[J]

Tony..vada bing, vada boom!!! You can't dis Will Smith and Jeff Townes (AKA..Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince). Even though we may think they are wack now, their classic, He's The DJ and I'm The Rapper LP, is an icon in Hip Hop culture. Jeff had every upcoming DJ back in the day wanting to transform on the 1's and 2's and Will was on point with the lyrics. You can't deny the Brand New Funk Remix..straight bangin! or Summertime. Cats still pull that out and pump it when summer rolls around. I remember going to the Fresh Fest Tour and how Jeff had everyone's mouth open when he transformed. Gotta give them props! They have a definite place in Hip Hop history!

One ;)

[Tony Soprano]

Originally posted by J:
Tony..vada bing, vada boom!!! You can't dis Will Smith and Jeff Townes (AKA..Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince). Even though we may think they are wack now, their classic, He's The DJ and I'm The Rapper LP, is an icon in Hip Hop culture. Jeff had every upcoming DJ back in the day wanting to transform on the 1's and 2's and Will was on point with the lyrics. You can't deny the Brand New Funk Remix..straight bangin! or Summertime. Cats still pull that out and pump it when summer rolls around. I remember going to the Fresh Fest Tour and how Jeff had everyone's mouth open when he transformed. Gotta give them props! They have a definite place in Hip Hop history!

One ;)

im not saying they didnt have their time but their time is over... as for nas same thing, he had his time but its over... even jay says he knows there is a guy eating froot loops reading the back of the box writing some of the coldest shit and he wants jay spot. everyone shines for a second... but all stars fall.

FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY

[ISOFLY]

posted 01-17-2002 06:29 PM
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i haaaaaaaaaad to get in this one. i dont see how i missed it... first off i rap...so i take the rap point of view so now with that said... RAP IS ENTERTAINMENT. its on black ENTERTAINMENT television and all ENTERTAINMENT programs. and its pretty damn ENTERTAINING. if you want knowledge grab a book or make your knowledgable rap ENRTAINING. thats where most of your knowledgable rappers fall off. they get on hit that makes spins (bigger than hip hop... the light...etc) but it lacks character.
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reply:

entertainment \En`ter*tain"ment\, n. [Cf. OF. entretenement.] 1. The act of receiving as host, or of amusing, admitting, or cherishing; hospitable reception; also, reception or treatment, in general.

art1 (ärt) Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

Rap is an art. Don't get it twisted. Rap is used by many for entertainment puposes. Just like Pimps use women for prostitution. I can go on and on....


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[Tony Soprano]

Originally posted by ISOFLY:

reply:

entertainment \En`ter*tain"ment\, n. [Cf. OF. entretenement.] 1. The act of receiving as host, or of amusing, admitting, or cherishing; hospitable reception; also, reception or treatment, in general.

art1 (ärt) Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

Rap is an art. Don't get it twisted. Rap is used by many for entertainment puposes. Just like Pimps use women for prostitution. I can go on and on....


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art appreciates with value... rap gets old. not the words of it cause some of the oldest rap still says some of the flyest things but rap is not the poetry it once was... its about style. sure styles repeat themselves but it has its down period. poetry is art. rap is poetry.(true true) styles die the words is the art... now with that said who is the king of wordplay and tell me nas can even try to compete... all this beef is is amusement. when you heard ether didnt you smirk at the sheer entertainment value of it. same with the takeover. some of it mad you laugh... some of it made you call your peeps and say "ooooohh". like i said

FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY

[jimmyshoe]

I'm with tony and ISOFLY. Rap music is a form of art and entertainment. Hip Hop is a culture... mainly of clothing, style speech, dance and rhythm. It's nothing to die for. As for reppin' sides. I think all of 'em have their strong points and weak points. But then, to each his own. I like a lot of rappers but like it has been said; there is a kid somewhere maturing into what some will say is the baddest of all time.

The gold mic has to be passed. Grand Master Flash had it; Kurtis Blow had it; Boogie Down Production had it; P.E. had it; LL Cool J had it; Run DMC had it; NWA had it; even Hammer had it... now Jay Z has it. And he too will pass it along. It's the evolution of the art. And the most you can do with it is enjoy it.

[Paulyestah]

aiight, 2 things here, 1, Nas said hes not doin anything else, it took Jay-z i think like what 3 songs to come back to Ether, and Nas still whoopin his ass, and 2 how can you say Jay-z album is better??? you think lyrically???? or the production??? either way, Nas's had it better, lyrically especially....and i dont know you, whoever you are who said jay z album is better, but you probably dont have all those millions of dollars Jay z got, so why do you wanna hear him talk about some shit you dont got and just wave it in yo face cuz you arent a commercial bitch who makes club songs....and this is no offense to anyone on here

[Paulyestah]

and yea, truthfullness, like mans on here is sayin underground is the best, and that includes deep underground shit....they got rappers under that can take any head that is above ground

[mrsminnie2001]

You know what i realize the reason why i can't stand black people, and i 'm black, ya'll ain't nothing but some hatin ass leaches, Jay-Z is commercial now huh, so ya'll was feeling him when he was talking about hustling and and criminal shit. Now that he's out of that, putting people whos worth it on ya'll want to hate. Thats just like saying ya'll want him to be fake and talk about the shit that he doesn't do but used to do. Who lives in the past? Ya'll get ya'll fucking minds right and realize that Jay-Z is not only a tight as rapper but a BLACK bussiness man that has matured and has the ability and knowledge to be accepted by everybody for what he is, listen assholes don't hate him, get ya fucking what up so you can beat him. Cause if you can't beat it's best you join him. CAN HE LIVE? :confused: :mad:

[Tony Soprano]

Originally posted by jimmyshoe:
I'm with tony and ISOFLY. Rap music is a form of art and entertainment. Hip Hop is a culture... mainly of clothing, style speech, dance and rhythm. It's nothing to die for. As for reppin' sides. I think all of 'em have their strong points and weak points. But then, to each his own. I like a lot of rappers but like it has been said; there is a kid somewhere maturing into what some will say is the baddest of all time.

The gold mic has to be passed. Grand Master Flash had it; Kurtis Blow had it; Boogie Down Production had it; P.E. had it; LL Cool J had it; Run DMC had it; NWA had it; even Hammer had it... now Jay Z has it. And he too will pass it along. It's the evolution of the art. And the most you can do with it is enjoy it.

its about time! thats all ive been saying. right now jay is on top... not saying nas wont get him later. not saying nas wont rise up and be the coldest lyricist in the world and they make a nasir award for best lyricist (yeah right) but right now jay got him. nas aint far off but he fell off. ya gotta hold that into consideration. sure he got flow... and all yall die hard fans aint gonna admit his faults (all praise the god) but i am a jigga fan... and i still admit he got his ass ate on ether. but as a lyricist nas skips around topic. he cant stay on a subject too long without saying something totally off subject... it aint my fault thats yall boy. :o :rolleyes:

[Paulyestah]

You know what i realize the reason why i can't stand black people, and i 'm black, ya'll ain't nothing but some hatin ass leaches, Jay-Z is commercial now huh, so ya'll was feeling him when he was talking about hustling and and criminal shit. Now that he's out of that, putting people whos worth it on ya'll want to hate. Thats just like saying ya'll want him to be fake and talk about the shit that he doesn't do but used to do. Who lives in the past? Ya'll get ya'll fucking minds right and realize that Jay-Z is not only a tight as rapper but a BLACK bussiness man that has matured and has the ability and knowledge to be accepted by everybody for what he is, listen assholes don't hate him, get ya fucking what up so you can beat him. Cause if you can't beat it's best you join him. CAN HE LIVE?


OK, one thing...JAYZ WAS ALWAYS COMMERCIAL...now hes just worse than he was....and i myself never siad i was feelin him, cuz to me hes wack.... i dont really see why people think hes so nice...oh yea that picture of prodigy in the little ballet thing he had was from 82, not 88

peace

[ISOFLY]

mrsminnie2001

We ar just comparing Jay-Z to Nas. Jay is good. But Nas is a better EMCEE. Nas is not going to sell as much as Jay will because he does what he likes (Thats's being real). Jay -Z does what sells. That's being commercial. Sex feind today, Gangsta tomorrow. I'm not hatin just the truth. Now if there is a concern about black people you might want to think about why gangsta shyt is so HOT? and why positive shyt is NOT? Jay-Z is cool with me. Read my message below

[ISOFLY]

To CAMJAM:

The WEAKMAN from CLEVELAND. You don't have a clue! Hope you didn't think I was gonna let all that lame stuff go by. First Queensbridge is in the hip hop history books. Go all the way back to MC SHAN, JUCIE CREW ALL-STARS, Marly-Marl, nuff said. Nas is apart of the environment and has been on the sceen for years son. Queensbridge is just one of many project houseings in Queens. Leave that hatin on Queens shyt alone. And no need to reply you are nothing but a Message Board Gangsta and (dat about it!) as Jay-Z would say..

[jimmyshoe]

mrsminnie2001

I couldn't let that "You know what I realize the reason why I can't stand black people, and I 'm black" statement go by without saying something. First, I'm not sure why you would even be on this site seeing that we discuss concerns with "our" people and "our" culture. Yeah, some of these brotha's are hatin' but that's a human trait not to be associated with "us" exclusively.

However, I will agree with you that most of these fools hounded Jay Z was bumpin' him a few years back.

As far you underground heads are concerned, your points are valid but irrelevant to the discussion. Common sense will tell you that there are cats out there that would blaze the best kats on the scene now. Just as there are probably some actors or singers that will out perform the hell out of the lames they got in the industry now.

But you have to distinguish between rap as a culture and rap as a business. They are two separate entities that require different approaches for success.

The streets respect raw skills. The industry respects record sells. Success is based on how well you do in the game you decide to play. Underground headz that want to stay there and feel good about it... much luv to 'em... And for the ones who want to step into the muck we call entertainment... much success to 'em. It's all good as far as I am concerned.

[ISOFLY]

Jimmyshoe is killin you, and you and you and you..(you now who you are) I am in agreement. 100%

[Ice-out]

I am goin to add my opinon. To me it seems as though Jay Z has figured out the rap "game". From top to bottom. He was that kid sittin in his room studying shit. So he listened and learned. Think about it, When gay ass Mase was hot. Jay went at him. And mase retired. It's Jay feels as though he is the Roy Jones of Rap. No one in his league. So he has to go looking for someone. We all know that there are very few lyrisis on the west coast and down south. So Nas was the best pick. When he dropped Illmatic everyone thought he was the second coming of Rakim. And when Mobb Deep first appeared, I know they had niggas shook. So Jay had to get at them niggas too. I guess when you get bored with shit, you make it challenging. To be the best, You have to beat the best. And in my eye. Nas was one of the best. Only other rapper that can bring that much emotion to a song is Ghost. And i know Jay is not going to fuck with the Wu. Too many niggas to deal with.


And for that Clevland kid, Get off his back. They're a little confused out there. They still think BONE is thee greatest group ever.

[ISOFLY]

To Iced - Out:

You have some valid points. But let's stick to dat script. I will also add a little hip hop history here for everyone who doesn't understand what an MC battle is.. MC's who wanted to prove supremecy over everyone else would compete in MC contests. It use to be in school yards and lunch rooms before rap was on wax. The person who was given the title "the best" was the one who dissed the other one the hardest. More times that others the one who had the hardest diss was also the best lyricist. Here are some examples... Grand Master Flash vs Sugar Hill Gang, Kool Moe Dee vs LL Cool J, Ice Cube vs Easy E and the whole NWA (no vasiline). In each case the best lyricist was the one who was crowned the winner or "the best MC" . It had nothing to do with who was the most popular, who sold the most records, etc.., Now lets get back to the topic . Nas vs Jay-Z. Who is the best lyricist??? It's hasn't come out yet but Jay - Z will tell you himself Nas is a better lyricist or "MC". That doesn't Nas is gonna sell more records. Koe Moe Dee made corney records but even today and as long as he has been off the seen, he can battle with the best of them. So when we say Nas vs Jay - Z we must bypass all the fluff and be specific about what we are comparing. Biggie never responded to TUPAC's diss but can you imagine if he did? This might have been the one exception to the rule. But that's a whole different discussion.

[Da Realness]

My 1st time here...what da deal?

Lol@ "Jay is not gonna fuck with the WU", if they came at Jay, he'll go at them too, ain't about how many niggaz they got, 50 cents went at them after that "Clyde smith" skit, I ain't heard them reply to that...
But on the real Jay z's TAKEOVER is still a better joint than Nas's ETHER, and I really find it hard to compare these 2 rappers cause there styles are different, like comparing BIG to PAC.
Its all about who YOU like, and I prefer Jay, not by much tho.
Suprised y'all ain't mentioned Cormega, I think he's CD was one of last yrs best album,this cat is nice on the MIC and you can just feel his realness, he already got at NAS for that "Destroy and Rebuild" shit, on a song called "Poetry".

Hope y'all cats fucks w/mixtapes....."K slay da DramaKing" is the shit.

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Mega,Tragedy Khadafi, Mobb Deep (Ty Nitty,Gambino,Godfather,Noyd & Littles)ScrewBall's Last CD, Mixtapes all day.
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[Tony Soprano]

Originally posted by Ice-out:
I am goin to add my opinon. To me it seems as though Jay Z has figured out the rap "game". From top to bottom. He was that kid sittin in his room studying shit. So he listened and learned. Think about it, When gay ass Mase was hot. Jay went at him. And mase retired. It's Jay feels as though he is the Roy Jones of Rap. No one in his league. So he has to go looking for someone. We all know that there are very few lyrisis on the west coast and down south. So Nas was the best pick. When he dropped Illmatic everyone thought he was the second coming of Rakim. And when Mobb Deep first appeared, I know they had niggas shook. So Jay had to get at them niggas too. I guess when you get bored with shit, you make it challenging. To be the best, You have to beat the best. And in my eye. Nas was one of the best. Only other rapper that can bring that much emotion to a song is Ghost. And i know Jay is not going to fuck with the Wu. Too many niggas to deal with.


And for that Clevland kid, Get off his back. They're a little confused out there. They still think BONE is thee greatest group ever.

i feel you on tha jigga but

WHOOOOOOOOOOOAAA!!!!!! BACK YA BUS UP YOUNGSTA!!!!!! aint no lyricists down south... WHAT! alright i know this aint got nothing to do with jig and nas but i gotta to represent for the dirty. SCARFACE, BUN-B, FIELD MOB, ANDRE3000, CEE-LOW, TELA, 8-BALL&MJG... PLUS A BUNCH OF UNDERGROUND CATS YOU AINT NEVER HEARD OF!!! i know the south HAD a reputation for ballin and booty music but dont doubt real lyricists just cause they region. im sure them country boys you probably dont like would wreck your city boys shop... matter of fact now that i think of it... stay tuned...

NO LONGER FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES

[Ice-out]

DaReal come on son. 50 cent went at a bunch of cats. but answer this. do you break out a shotgun to kill a house fly. NO i dont think so. And that is what 50 is. Shit he went at Jay. Jay dismissed him with one bar. Your right. it's not the number of nigga. but the quality. IT's the quality of the Wu. but thats neither here nor there. I also agree that Jay is better. I think Nas needs to get back in the lab with AZ and nature. If you don't practice you don't get better. and he needs to get better. With Jay bringing BEANIE seagal in. He had to improve himself. Nas has no challengers in his camp. I know CNN is from Queensbridge, but they not thick like that.

Back to the beef. Jay said that super ugly was just a freestyle. So when will he retaliate? Ether is lethal. Jay needs to just blow that shit ouuuuut.

[Ice-out]

AIGHT, you made a little point there son son. You mentioned a couple of good rappers. and yes the south is known for booty music. but please don't mention underground cats. they are everywhere (except cleavland). Them niggas let master p and the cash money click rep for them. so they got swept up with them. And someone mentioned the big and pac beef. Big didn't respond, why? because Big new pac was just acting out. He wanted the heat. Heat sell records I know this next statement is going to hurt some feelings, oh well grown up. Pac himself said that he was just acting that is not his life. he was trying to sell records to feed his extended family. We all must remember, he went to school to be an actor.

[Da Realness]

Ice, you're right at 50 going at everyone, but I wasn't talking about that "How to rob" song, but I do agree with you, WU don't really need to pay him no mind, but they did that skit "clyde smith" and he went back at Ghost for that, but I just think they don't wanna give him no more exposure as opposed to being scared.

The Pac vs BIG beef, BIG didn't say nothing cause he was shook of PAC and the whole 'ROW. Str8 up!

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[thatNiggaRa]

This fucka needs to stop hating. Just because you don't have a deal dosen't mean that you should hate on two of the finest in the game. I know it is hard to get noticed but you need to get a life and stop knocking people down on your way up!!
Originally posted by Freakinthemic:
both emcees is grabage nahimean, they both can't flow, keep it real that nigga Jay Z got Nas overall, Nas just went grabage he ain't coming out the hole, son madd wac yo, and Jay-z raps about the same grabage money hoes and cris, man that's fake hip hop son, keep it real underground, one

[Sounds]

I won't even say nothin towards the beef cuz these are the hottest rappers out rite now. Theres no comparin the two they both on they own level. Jay-Z speaks on his own personal experiences in the illest way possible, while Nas "gives you the news, with a twist of his ghetto point of view". Both of the dis songs are hard but I bet they end getting topether for a hard track at the end of all this

[mrsminnie2001]

Originally posted by ISOFLY:
mrsminnie2001

We ar just comparing Jay-Z to Nas. Jay is good. But Nas is a better EMCEE. Nas is not going to sell as much as Jay will because he does what he likes (Thats's being real). Jay -Z does what sells. That's being commercial. Sex feind today, Gangsta tomorrow. I'm not hatin just the truth. Now if there is a concern about black people you might want to think about why gangsta shyt is so HOT? and why positive shyt is NOT? Jay-Z is cool with me. Read my message below

First off, if you want to say that one minute Jay-Z is a sex feind, and the next a gansta, lets talk about how one day Nas is a deep philospher and the next day hes either talking about Kill,kill,kill, murder, murder, murder, or some damn oochie wally. Or lets talk how everybody that nigga was claiming and was suppose to have love for is also being dissed by him. Now lets talk about how he's a bitch and how 2pac never liked him, dissed him on makiveli,how, Biggie never made any reference to him or about him, but now he's all emotional reinacting both there deaths and trying to act like he's all upright and like he is hot and like he always was respected like that. NAS is not bad, but he's not BETTER THAN JAY. Oh yeah and to add on to this, He's a Fucking Liar!!! Anything Jay may talk about may or may not be true, but it becomes true when there is a third party to be a witness to it, for example DICKHEAD. When Jay said "Yeah I sampled your voice, you was using it wrong. You made it a hot line I made it a hot song.And you ain't get coin nigga you was getting fucked in, I know who I paided Dog, Search like publishing" Well, MC Search can second that, but when Nas be talking shit like " In 88 you was getting chased to you building, calling my crib and I ain't even give you my number" who can second that. Also why the fuck is nas so damn infactuated with calling him gay? Does He want to fuck him? Damn Faggot! Just listen to the beats Nas is the fuck mad!!!

[BigNikka]

It's not Search like publishing, its Serchlite Publishing.

[0brill]

I ain't mad at jigga but Nas is my main man. When u check on jiggaz flow he's talkin' of the Lexus, Dola bills, u know ,2 me he's mo ofa flosser than an MC. while Nas's lyrics is widely based on the streets where Hiphop lives.

[0brill]

Step in2 Nas's teritory & get smaked. & that's 4 real

[Ice-out]

obrill, nas used to be street. but he is all twisted up in life. he wants to be more contious. then he wants to bee gangsta. Illmatic will always be in my collection of great albums, no doubt. but, like jay said, two of them shits was doo. and he's right. Nas dose'nt know what the fuck he wants to be. so he fell off. You have to admit it. And jay does do a lot of flossin'. but tht is just his party joints. listen to the rest of the album. i'll give you one line. i sell ice in the winter/ i sell fire to hell/ i am a hustler baby, i sell water to a well. come on. And listen to the dynasty album. "this can't be life" that will make think a little differently. i like both rappers, but jay is tighter.

[Da Realness]

Mrsminnie did break it down.
I might touch a few nerves with this but I think Nas is biting off of Pac, I remember Pac was dissing them niggas for tryna be "italian/mafia", with all those BS names they all had.
Now Nas is saying "me and Pac are soldiers of da same struggle", after having that hook "thug life is mine", If pac was alive he wouldn't have done that hook, I believe Nas is tryna find himself "as a rapper" and he seems to have on this StillMatic album, but u never know until the next Cd comes out.
Jay Z is the most versatile rapper, he's got the best style, and he's definitely on top of the game (not cause of sales), even Nas himself admitted that "Jay Z is a great artist", and u can't say Jay Z is biting off of anyone!

Jay z doesn't just do party joints, if u do a joint and its so tight that DJ's start spinning it in clubs, does it make it a party joint?
I guess Pac's "hit 'em up" was a party joint then huh?
I can list like 20 songs of Jay z's that are no party joints.

Everyone's tryna shit on Jay Z cause of "Ether", well wait on Jay Z's next CD, don't forget how he hit everyone with Takeover.

Yeah he did "super ugly", but that was a freestyle,like when Nas did that "stillmatic" single in da summer.

Nas is a great storyteller though, cause he didn't live none of that shit but the way he tells it makes u think he saw it firsthand, like the song on I AM, "undying love", that was like watching a movie.
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[poLiTikZ]

sup wid dis 2 niggas fightn ovr hos the king of this city? yall know that biggie smalls stil d king of ny! king of hip-hop!

[LSD]

Nas is my man, his lyrix has alwayz been hard hittin, and he sent shots straight to Jigga's dome on that Ether joint! That shit's the bomb! And overall, I prefer Nas's album, coz he talks more sense on one song than Jigga ever will in all his albums combined. Jigga's good for radio though, coz he's sooooo POP.
But I hope Nas meant it when he said he don't want no beef with nobody. Losing Pac and Biggie was a major blow to HipHop, and we don't wanna lose any more great MCs, like these 2 battling.

[PlayboyMone]

Jigga aint got it locked, NAS got his ass, and if igga claim to be the Roy Jones of rap, look at Roy Jones, he only fight bums, not real contenders, now dont get me wrong, Roy Jone sis a MOTHAFUCKA, but we aint seen his skills in the ring against a REAL challenger since the 90's, come on now, let's get real, Jay-Z used to rap hella fast anyway like Twista, then he switched up his flow, now the nigga got a few cuts, but chalk this one up to NAS fa sho! BET THAT!

[jayluv_32]

I have to give it up on the post I have read from the heads on this jay-z and nas beef,
personally I have been down with both since they started, they both got skillz, hopefully the beef will not turn into any Biggie/Pac mess, I want you East Coast and up state brothas to know that down in Dallas we have some real hip hop heads with mad flow, that dirty south flava is not banging thru all our speakers, no disrespect to that music at all, but it just ain't our flava, Common, Dead Prez, Jaquar, Jazzyfatnastess, Roots, etc, etc, just has more substance than the rotation that gets played down here, to us NY is the Mecca of Hip Hop, been down with it since Beatstreet not Belly, and if ya know that then ya really know about the beginnings of this head.
Peace

[Sizz]

I've been in the rap game for a while. I even put an album out Nation wide, so a I can respect any artist that's out there rather he's on top or other wise. But if you judging by to mcees on the might going at it pound for pound than this is like one of those school yard fights that depending on who's friend you asked, that's who won the fight. I always took my time when puttin it down to get that deptness in what I was spitting. So I can appreciate Nas more. But Jigga you got to admit has the style that easier to cross all people which is the reson rap is not just a "3rd world artform" Oh Yeah I'm from Dallas and we didn't start listening to rap when 2 live crew stepped on the scene.

[masiahsayeed]

Jay Z ripped Nas, Nas was nice on illmatic. He fell off on the rest of his cd's, but he really came from dead on Stillmatic. Jay-Z's the Blueprint is a classic no cd can bang over that. Nas joint was hot but it's not holdin him down as one of the best mc's.

[bigpoppa]

i use to be a Jay-z fan but now i not feel him any after vol 1 cd he started to become full of his self. Nas i feel is one of the true hip hop lyrces still in the game :cool:

[Marcus]

I got some words, I got some words, I got some words.

The overall battle is dope, I still say it's tied 1-1, Nas' stillmatic was weak, so he get's no point for that one, and Jay-z's superugly was weak as well, no point for that one (I know they were freestyles, but still)

Nas and Jay gave some good facts about the other, but while it took Nas a whole song to dis Jay, it took Jay only one verse


One hot album every ten year average, so true, because Illmatic is hot, and Stillmatice is hot, while It was written was decent, and I Am was good, I wont even talk about Nastradamus. Esco's trash, true true.

Nas bringing up the Hawaiian sophie thing is corny (my cousin always brings that up, but he still listen's to it) but he did bring up the fact that jay say's some of big's verse's, but we all know that. other stuff was just funny (JJ Evans, and the naming rocafella after Rockafeller, and he died of aids)

All those DJ's talking about "Nas won, nas won" get off his jock, and stop blowing his head up before he make another weak cd, then they'll be dissin him again. This battle is far from over, "People Talkin" to me was a intoduction to this battle that will stay on wax, and not be takin to the streets.

[SwordofDeen]

What up Son,

Tha bottom line is that Lay-Z is commercial and his lyrics are corny and so is his MO. He was fake back wit that Hawiian shyt and he aint changed. He aint real and he be trying to make himself a legend by going up against tha undisupted. He gonna end up the same way that Cannibus did when he tried to test LL. Nas don't sell as much because he don't sell out. His style hasn't changed since Illmatic. Ether speaks for himself and J's reply with Ugly was G-A-R-B-A-G-E and if you listen to what he is saying he ain't saying crap. Ya'll keep it real.

Stay up

[WILLIAM]

yo i got to get in on this jay or nas mmmmmm.
(1)jay bcause it took nas a whole song it took jay oneverse(2) cause if there wasnt any beef nas last album would have sucked(3)
because jay has 6platinum albums and da blueprint 2 finished,as well as soundtracks and he has never wrote down one word he writes in his fucking head....he's sick whether yall want to admit or not he has rap figured out and as he always puts it he will not lose

[Krazed1]

Nas has Phat Beats. That where the skillz end. Jay speaks on the real, like MrsMinnie2001 said. There's a difference between personal conflict and contridiction. Nas tries to be all higher than thou. His Video having him as Big and Pac was Wack. Insulting to the Two Greats. He has flow. But then he acuses others of selling out. Remember NAS, "your my brother, you traded your soul for riches". N*gga, you rollin' in Benz's too. Atleast Jay says he's going for the money. Why not get paid for something you love to do. Hatin' @ss N*ggaz! And this stay underground bullsh*t? Underground Catz are Underground cause they are only special to the underground crowd. That's cool, but why disrespect those who try to uplift themselves financially. I know you the same N*ggaz that get mad if somebody talks bad about a Freshman in college going Pro. Or hate on a playground star getting a Pro offer. Talk about contridiction. Jay Z gives you what is true to him. You have the groupies at times. then you have that special lady you F'd up with sometimes. Everyone feels mad enough to cap someone sometimes. But also recognizes the struggles of others. That's real. Everyone has conflicts within themselves. Don't be mad cause yours hasn't been paid to be expressed. Maybe if you cut out the hatin', you'd have the time to Commit to Success. One.

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